EMI Swindon and EMI Operations S.p.A.

After viewing this new info about http://discogs.programascracks.com/history?release=4231111#latest, I have a question:

Could SID code IFPI 2535 belong to EMI Swindon. Or maybe this pattern was used by some others EMI plants?

Could someone provide more info about this?

Thanks!

It's a system used by the Uden plant and also by some of their US pressing facilities. They also used the same sort of system on vinyl. It was company wide to mark the stamper and mother. The father number on CDs is added at the glass mastering stage and is lasered and not moulded (looks like etching) like the rest of it.

I've been viewing some releases with 25** codes and all of them seem to be pressed by an Italian plant.

In this case (ims Manufacturing plant.

Could this release be glass mastered at EMI Operations Italy S.p.A.?

EDIT:

If so, then we have a strange case here: EMI Operations Italy S.p.A.

Morbid6
Could this release be glass mastered at EMI Swindon, and pressed by EMI Operations Italy S.p.A.?

Yes. Sort of. If the release date is correct, it was EMI Operations Italy S.p.A. did not handle pressing until 1999.

Ok, thanks!

And what about the Brave New World issue? What do you think?

Ooh, a tangled knot.
1, 3, 6, 7, 8 - Pressed and Mastered in Uden.
2 Pressed Italy. Mastered Uden.
4 Mastereed in Uden. Uden Stamper used. probably pressed there, need the moudl SID code.
5 Mastered in Uden, used an Uden stamper (it seems) but pressed in Italy (it seems). This seems to be the correct scenario so long as the variant information is correct and if so means the Uden profile needs some updating to advise that "NL" will normally mean the CD is pressed there, however the stampers have been used elsewhere.
9 Mastered in Uden, but pressed in Swindon.

So 1, 3, 6, 7 and 8 should occupy that sub (and probably 4depending on mould SID).
2 and 5 as mastered in Uden but pressed in Italy need a separate submission.
9 mastered in Uden, pressed in Swindon is another sub too.

Yeah, big knot here...

Eviltoastman
So 1, 3, 6, 7 and 8 should occupy that sub (and probably 4depending on mould SID).
2 and 5 as mastered in Uden but pressed in Italy need a separate submission.
9 mastered in Uden, pressed in Swindon is another sub too.

If no one has anything else to say, I'll change EMI Uden profile, and move those Variants to another subs.

Eviltoastman
5 Mastered in Uden, used an Uden stamper (it seems) but pressed in Italy (it seems). This seems to be the correct scenario so long as the variant information is correct and if so means the Uden profile needs some updating to advise that "NL" will normally mean the CD is pressed there, however the stampers have been used elsewhere.

So, just for having a clear idea... is it not the same thing a pressing machine than a stamper machine?

Morbid6
If no one has anything else to say, I'll change EMI Uden profile, and move those Variants to another subs.

Id like to know what you plan on changing.

Morbid6
So, just for having a clear idea...

When you're manufacturing a CD, you start with the glass master. This may be used in house to create stampers or sent to other facilities. From the glass master you can make a stamper. The stamper is normally used in house to press/mould CDs. In some cases the stamper may be sent to other facilities to be used. If a stamper has been sent to another company or plant to be used it is very difficult to tell unless you have stamper information which is particular to a particular plant (NL suffixed mother and stamper information for instance) and a mould SID code which is definitely not from that plant. In this case the stamper info (Uden) and the mould SID code (Italy) demonstrate that this activity occurred. It may be more common than we think, but it;s almost impossible to tell in the majority of cases.

Eviltoastman
Id like to know what you plan on changing.

I'll move Variants 2, 5 and 9 to new subs (or existing ones, if possible). In the EMI Swindon profile I think we can add the info you mentioned about the stamper and the "NL" patterns.

It is already there.

Eviltoastman
It is already there.

Uhhmm... sorry, but I only can see the case when a release is glass mastered in Swindon and pressed in Uden. It is necessary to add when a release is glass mastered in Swindon and pressed in another EMI plants with the Uden stamper, like EMI Music Italy (with the IFPI 25** code).

Am I right?

I wouldn't even mention it there, it's highly specialised information and we are assuming it to be the case. It will just confuse people.

Ok, so I'll add this info only in the specific releases.