I've been reading the guidelines

won't bore y'all with which but the missing link in the puzzle is simply 1 word; Official.

Official Album Releases by an Artist on Official Labels and Official Reissues of.
Official Singles Releases by an artist on Official Labels and Official Reissues of.
(Official) Compilation Releases of an Artists Official Releases by Official Labels and Official Reissues of.

perfect example of what if applied correctly without bias the guidelines inform the database and the about the artists releases;

http://discogs.programascracks.com/artist/Deon+Jackson

if you disagree then compare to these 3 artists releases;

http://discogs.programascracks.com/artist/Esther+Williams
http://discogs.programascracks.com/artist/R.+Dean+Taylor
http://discogs.programascracks.com/artist/Velvelettes%2C+The

the 1971 & 1972 Netherlands releases don't belong in this Official Single Releases master
http://discogs.programascracks.com/Four-Tops-Reach-Out-Ill-Be-There-Until-You-Love-Someone/master/112998

Please don't start this again!
Starting this discussion over and over again will not give you any credits with the Discogs s, let alone Discogs management....

I'm not sure what this is about, to be honest. Can't see anything wrong with that SR. if you mean that unofficial releases should not be included in a MR, then you are wrong. They do belong in the same MR

I'm ... confused.

lubeelee
won't bore y'all

Thank you, much appreciated.

loukash
Thank you, much appreciated.

oh I feel you are bored. Bite his head off! you know you want to!

syke
oh I feel you are bored

How did you know?!
I should be actually working on a brochure design draft which I should have ready for the client on Monday morning… :(

lubeelee
the 1971 & 1972 Netherlands releases don't belong in this Official Single Releases master
http://discogs.programascracks.com/Four-Tops-Reach-Out-Ill-Be-There-Until-You-Love-Someone/master/112998

That's actually true.
Four Tops - It's The Same Old Song / Reach Out I'll Be There are both "double-hit" re-releases.
Fixed.

syke
if you mean that unofficial releases should not be included in a MR, then you are wrong. They do belong in the same MR

you are wrong, Unofficial Album & Single Releases have their own section on an artists profile directly under an artists Official Albums, Singles, & Compilations Releases

lubeelee
you are wrong, Unofficial Album & Single Releases have their own section on an artists profile directly under an artists Official Albums, Singles, & Compilations Releases

But that's different compared to the Master Release because MRs do not separate or categorize official titles from unofficial ones. It just lists all the versions of a release together.

http://discogs.programascracks.com/artist/Pet+Shop+Boys
Official Releases,
Official Appearances,
Unofficial Releases
Official Credits

lubeelee
http://discogs.programascracks.com/artist/Pet+Shop+Boys
Official Releases,
Official Appearances,
Unofficial Releases
Official Credits

You're getting profiles and Master Release pages mixed up. I do not recall Master Release pages splitting up release types. syke was refering to Master Release page, not profiles.

loukash
That's actually true.
Four Tops, The* - Reach Out I'll Be There / If I Were A Carpenter and Four Tops - It's The Same Old Song / Reach Out I'll Be There are both "double-hit" re-releases.
Fixed.

Fixed how? http://discogs.programascracks.com/Four-Tops-The-Reach-Out-Ill-Be-There-If-I-Were-A-Carpenter/release/2131169
Full physical format descriptions are always required.
if a Single Release of back to back hit CANNOT be tagged an Official Reissue of an Official Single Release by an artist it MUST be tagged Compilation to inform the database and s that the release is not an Official Single Release but a Compilation Release of Official Singles Releases of an artist by the Official labels

this 1972 Four Tops release is even part of a Label Series!

http://discogs.programascracks.com/forum/thread/524bbd252ec4b36392176f67#527d3ba9ad9d3534a68e640b

nik
I think this matter has gone on long enough

Tokeowave
different compared to the Master Release because MRs do not separate or categorize official titles from unofficial ones. It just lists all the versions of a release together.

I understand, Official & Unofficial Releases are separated on an artists Profile but in a Releases Master they are both present thats correct,
the Master Release .16.2.1. Releases that match two or more of the following will probably be eligible to belong to the same Master Release:

Has the same artwork (including derivatives)
Has the same tracklisting (the same recordings or versions, not totally different recordings)
Has the same release title (including translations)
Is a re-release, promo, colored vinyl edition, special edition, instrumental version, remix, multilingual release version (for example, Kraftwerk's Computer World), or other such variation
The Master Release of an Album does not differentiate between Official & Unofficial but the artists profile does because they can be officially referenced off Discographies
16.2.2. Master Release is intended to contain as many releases as reasonable. For example, the tracklisting can vary (sometimes radically), but there should be an obvious connection between the releases. Releases shouldn't be forced into a Master Release - if the addition of a release to a MR is contentious, confusing, or difficult, then it should probably not be part of the Master Release in question.

16.2.3. A release can only belong to one Master Release. If a release partially belongs to two or more Master Releases, it should not be added to them. For example:

Releases that combine two albums can't be on the same Master Release as the individual albums
Versions of singles billed as double A sides, where one of the tracks is different, can't be on the same Master Release. For example Laid Back - White Horse / So Wie So can't be on the same Master Release as Laid Back - White Horse.

can somebody please explain what this guy wants?

lubeelee
16.2.3. A release can only belong to one Master Release. If a release partially belongs to two or more Master Releases, it should not be added to them. For example:
http://discogs.programascracks.com/Gladys-Knight-And-The-Pips-Take-Me-In-Your-Arms-And-Love-Me/master/374358
the 1974 Release cannot be an Official Reissue of this 1967 Release because the B side differs. it must be tagged Compiation because its an Official Release by the Label.
there can only be 1 master for each Official Single Release in the artists profile unless the artist Officially rerecorded the title such as the 1990s Release of Needle in a Haystack. the othe r releases with that title that don't fit in the Official Master Releases of that title as an Official Reissue are Official Compilation Releases
Releases that combine two albums can't be on the same Master Release as the individual albums
Versions of singles billed as double A sides, where one of the tracks is different, can't be on the same Master Release.

http://discogs.programascracks.com/artist/Velvelettes%2C+The

syke
can somebody please explain what this guy wants?

the guidelines that indicate a Release is either a Reissue or Compilation to be applied across all formats

aasaxell
http://discogs.programascracks.com/forum/thread/524bbd252ec4b36392176f67#527d3ba9ad9d3534a68e640b

dear god, I knew I should have stayed away from that one. Now I have a massive headache and will go to sleep...

http://discogs.programascracks.com/artist/Deon+Jackson
this artist recorded for 3 labels between 1963 and 1972
released only 1 Album and several singles.
after 1972 the Official Releases that are not Official Reissues of his Official Singles Releases are Official Compilation Releases by an Official Label.
the database just wants to list the artists Official Albums & Singles Releases, and if subsequent releases containing the Official titles Cannot be tagged a Reissue they must be tagged Compilation.. the guidelines require it across all formats of previously issued content from 2 or more sources.

here's a 7" Single Compilation Series. Motown were masters at raking in the cash
http://discogs.programascracks.com/label/Motown+Singles+Collection
another one
http://discogs.programascracks.com/label/The+Motown+20th+Anniversary+Singles+Box

specific 7" Single Reissue and Compialtion Labels
http://discogs.programascracks.com/label/Stardust+Records
http://discogs.programascracks.com/label/Goldmine+Sevens

these if they are not Official Reissue releases of Official Singles Releases they are Compilation Releases by an Official label

All Albums, Singles & Compilations are Official Releases in an artists releases on their profile but only Unissued phonographic sound recordings by the artist are Official Album & Single Releases by the artist.
previously issued content can and must be tagged a Reissue Or Compilation, or even a Reissue Compilation, like in this Lonnie Mack master. http://discogs.programascracks.com/Lonnie-Mack-The-Memphis-Sounds-Of-Lonnie-Mack/master/619954

lubeelee
previously issued content can and must be tagged a Reissue Or Compilation, or even a Reissue Compilation

Why? I've yet to see a reason given that this needs to happen

syke
can somebody please explain what this guy wants?

The way I see it, there is currently no guideline which would prohibit the usage of "Compilation" on 7" singles which effectively compile previously released tracks (aka "double-hit"). We're just saying that it "should not be done".

Probably we need a guideline clause in RSG §6.16.6., adding:

When Not To Use The 'Compilation' Tag:
• […]
• 7" releases combining previously released singles as "double-hit"

… or something like that.

That aside, I can only repeat what I stated elsewhere:

lubeelee, just a friendly advice, based on "Psychology 101":
The more text you type (and repeat), the less likely will anyone ever bother to read it.

ok all I ask is that s inspect Deon Jacksons Official Releases and using the guidelines justify what is incorrect about any Reissue or Compilation Release containing his previously issued content.

loukash
The way I see it, there is currently no guideline which would prohibit the usage of "Compilation" on 7" singles which effectively compile previously released tracks (aka "double-hit"). We're just saying that it "should not be done".

the guidelines are not just saying what should be done though. they request you apply them without bias

lubeelee
they request you apply them without bias

I don't know (or care to know) what your problem is here, but the word "bias" does not appear in the guidelines even once. If you have some sort of problem with something, I suggest you file a request, because your rants aren't making much sense.

loukash
The way I see it, there is currently no guideline which would prohibit the usage of "Compilation" on 7" singles which effectively compile previously released tracks (aka "double-hit").

Yes there is, and this type of argument is exactly why the following was added to the guidelines, to prevent s from adding Compilation to back-to-back type Double A Side singles:

RSG §6.16.2. Use the 'Compilation' tag in the same way as other discographies, collectors, shops, and the general public use it; to indicate a 'Greatest Hits', 'Best Of', or otherwise themed gathering of tracks, usually taken from a variety of previously issued sources.

lubeelee
you are wrong, Unofficial Album & Single Releases have their own section on an artists profile directly under an artists Official Albums, Singles, & Compilations Releases

No, you're the one that's wrong. They go in THE SAME MASTER RELEASE and the systems splits them out into the Unofficial Release section automatically.

lubeelee
specific 7" Single Reissue and Compialtion Labels
http://discogs.programascracks.com/label/Stardust+Records
http://discogs.programascracks.com/label/Goldmine+Sevens

nik even locked the thread where you went blathering on and on about this before and yet you bring the same B.S. up again. Are you looking for management to ban you from the forum? If so, in time, I have every confidence you will succeed. In the meanwhile, if you ignore management decisions I will be happy to give you appropriate votes.

lubeelee
previously issued content can and must be tagged a Reissue Or Compilation, or even a Reissue Compilation

Nope, there is no such rule on Discogs.

lubeelee
if a Single Release of back to back hit CANNOT be tagged an Official Reissue of an Official Single Release by an artist it MUST be tagged Compilation to inform the database and s that the release is not an Official Single Release but a Compilation Release of Official Singles Releases of an artist by the Official labels

This is exactly what I meany by

JeroenG8
Please don't start this again!
Starting this discussion over and over again will not give you any credits with the Discogs s, let alone Discogs management....

http://discogs.programascracks.com/forum/thread/524bbd252ec4b36392176f67#527d3ba9ad9d3534a68e640b
You have asked a question there, there was a discussion, you lost..... get over it and move on... and use the guidelines as they were intended please!

StaticGuru
I don't know (or care to know) what your problem is here, but the word "bias" does not appear in the guidelines even once. If you have some sort of problem with something, I suggest you file a request, because your rants aren't making much sense.
Quote Selection

6.10 Do not guess at or attempt to apply personal standards to these tags

a personal standard is a bias

timetogo
No, you're the one that's wrong. They go in THE SAME MASTER RELEASE and the systems splits them out into the Unofficial Release section automatically.

yes, we know a Release of the same title goes in the Releases master but the Unofficial Releases of the Release are separated from the Official Release by the artist and go to the Unofficial Releases by the artist. what point are you attempting to make?

timetogo
Nope, there is no such rule on Discogs.

no
what are these such rules
1.3.1.a. Required:
Format - Full physical format descriptions are always required
6.16.1. Unlike other Discogs tags such as 'ALBUM' and 'SINGLE', 'Compilation' does not need to appear on the release or be cited from a trustworthy source. The compilation tag can be used in conjunction with any other available tag,
6.16.3. The tag can be used when a release takes previously available tracks from different sources, and repackages them
6.16.5. Official discographies and other respected sources can be useful when deciding when to use this tag.

6.17.1 Reissue should not be used where the work does not appear in it's original form, for example, singles that combine two hits together, or CD's that combine two albums, unless the release itself uses that term.

16.2.3. A release can only belong to one Master Release. If a release partially belongs to two or more Master Releases, it should not be added to them. For example:
Versions of singles billed as double A sides, where one of the tracks is different, can't be in the same Master Release

timetogo
http://discogs.programascracks.com/label/Stardust+Records
http://discogs.programascracks.com/label/Goldmine+Sevens

these releases are not Official Singles Releases of Previously Unissued content by an artist. some are Reissues and some are Compilations
6.16.2. Use the 'Compilation' tag in the same way as , OR otherwise themed gathering of tracks, usually taken from a variety of previously issued sources.
6.16.3. The tag can be used when a release takes previously available tracks from different sources, and repackages them.

nik so you'll just have to accept it. Starting a whole new thread about the exact same issue is pointless and you are just wasting everyone's time.

the database requires 1 or the other of Reissue and Compilation tags applied to indicate Previously Issued Content. which imakes no mind to me but none of you s are considering what the database requires.. nik says you can follow the dates to find the original release, but the (p) dates I beleive nik is refering to are written in freehand in the Notes section. the database cannot read that so unless you apply 1 or the other the database is listing Releases that contain previously issued content from more than 1 source as an Official Single Release by an artist. yet only 1 master can be in the artists Official Releases section for any given title. all Releases that can't fit in the Official Single release master as an Official Reissue are Official Compilations and the database can correctly separate these.

compare deon jackson with R. dean taylor

an artist can only have 1 master for each Single title in their Official Singles Releases section. and Single releases with content from more than 1 of the artists Official Singles Releases cannot be tagged an Official Reissue as it doesnt fit the master of either title. it is an Official Compilation Release. it doesn't have to be sourced because the titles should have already been sourced in the Official Singles master of the titles.

Firstly, will you please stop spewing guidelines... especially since you don't seem to fully understand them.
At the very least link to them instead of copy/pasting ( http://discogs.programascracks.com/help/text-formatting.html )

Re format requirements, RSG §1.3.1.a: For these 7" records you seem hung up on, the guideline is for physical descriptions.
This means: Format: Vinyl, 7"
That's it... that's all that's required.
The tags "45RPM", "Single", "Reissue", "Compilation" etc are not physical descriptions... and are not mandatory whatsoever...
Please stop referring to that guideline.

timetogo
nik ruled in another thread that 7" releases are NOT compilations

This is all you need to know about the "Compilation" tag and 7" releases. (At least until it is ruled otherwise.) This is not specifically stated in the guidelines unfortunately but it comes from nik and therefore stands.

What is in the compilation guidelines however is this:
RSG §6.16.6 If there is doubt or disagreement, please do not use the tag, and please ask in the Adding & Updating forum for advice.

dani72
Starting a whole new thread about the exact same issue is pointless and you are just wasting everyone's time.

The same issue is not pointless when the databases integrity is at stake because s are applying personal standards and cherry picking a format to exclude from a guideline because they don't understand the issue.
wasting everyones time ? the databases guidelines being correctly applied to Releases without bias is wasting everyones time. possibly, but I'm not wasting the databases time.

the guidelines inform the database about a release,
If they cannot be tagged an Official Reissue they are tagged Compialtion to inform the database the content is on Previously available Official Releases

That;s not strictly true. Nik never said a 7" cannot be a compilation. On the contrary. He just said that back to back hits releases could not be tagged as compilations.

There are plenty of instances where a 7" may use the compilation tag.
http://discogs.programascracks.com/search/?type=all&title=&credit=&artist=&genre=&label=&style=&track=&country=&catno=&year=&barcode=&submitter=&anv=&contributor=&format=7%22%2C+compilation

As for the intention of this thread, it's just another circus sideshow imo.

You are a broken record who keeps repeating the same thing over and over again.

Protip:
When even the database manager tells you something has gone on long enough, it probably has.

Eviltoastman
That;s not strictly true. Nik never said a 7" cannot be a compilation. On the contrary. He just said that back to back hits releases could not be tagged as compilations.

Fair enough, ETM, you're correct there.
It applies to this "discussion" though...

Regarding "Reissue"

Excerpt from RSG §6.17.1:
Reissue should not be used where the work does not appear in it's original form, for example, singles that combine two hits together...

This means that from Discogs' POV, this release for example, is neither a Reissue nor a Compilation, regardless of what you personally consider it to be.
The Four Tops* - Reach Out I'll Be There / If I Were A Carpenter

Let. It. Go.

aasaxell
It applies to this "discussion" though...

Discussion, Reissue, Shape, Circular

loukash
there is currently no guideline which would prohibit the usage of "Compilation" on 7" singles

djindio
Yes there is
[…]
RSG §6.16.2.

You know that, and I know that too.
But some s aren't apparently getting it yet, thus the guidelines may need to be enhanced accordingly so that even those poor souls would eventually get it as well.

aasaxell
What is in the compilation guidelines however is this:
RSG §6.16.6.

Fair enough, that will definitely suffice in this discussion, for sure.
That is, until the next such discussion comes along. :P

StaticGuru
Discussion, Reissue, Shape, Circular

I have the square version it seems. New sub?

marcelrecords
I have the square version

Added to Wantlist

now that's some serious trolling.

I'm still confused... WTF just happened?

aasaxell
This means that from Discogs' POV, this release for example, is neither a Reissue nor a Compilation, regardless of what you personally consider it to be.
Four Tops, The* - Reach Out I'll Be There / If I Were A Carpenter

excuse me from discogs POV this is neither a Reissue or a Compilation??? whicxh databases gudelines are you reading? ,What is this Release if it isn't a Reissue of a previously available release or a Compialtion Release?
are you saying it is the Official Single Release of Reach out I'll Be There because without the descriptive tag Reissue or Compilation to inform the database that the content is from the Artists previously available Official Releases you are tagging this Release as the first issue of previously Unissued content and that is an untruth. the titles are from 2 separate Official Singles Masters. and only 1 master for each title can appear in the Official Singles Releases. it is an Official Compilation Release by the label.
yet again all that s offer are their personal standards.

Official Single Release 1964
http://discogs.programascracks.com/Velvelettes-Needle-In-A-Haystack-Should-I-Tell-Them/master/212616
Official Single release 1964
http://discogs.programascracks.com/Velvelettes-He-Was-Really-Sayin-Somethin-Throw-A-Farewell-Kiss/release/695752
Official EP Release 1965
http://discogs.programascracks.com/Velvelettes-He-Was-Really-Sayin-Somethin/release/3996329
this is a Compilation of 2 previously issued Singles repackaged as 1 Release
6.16.1. Unlike other Discogs tags such as 'Album' and 'Single', 'Compilation' does not need to appear on the release or be cited from a trustworthy source. The compilation tag can be used in conjunction with any other available tag
6.16.3. The tag can be used when a release takes previously available tracks from different sources, and repackages them.
6.16.4. The tag can be used when the release is two or more previously available releases packaged together.
6.16.5. Official discographies and other respected sources can be useful when deciding when to use this tag.

Yep... that's a dead horse alright. Shame, beating it like that.

Discussion, Reissue, Repress, Shape, Circular
All Media, Compilation

Clearly an Unofficial Reissue of  randomplease...

Seriously, WTF lubeelee
Double or just good buddies?

Hardly a coincidence that you keep linking to releases that randomplease seems to own most of your submissions.

Given that randomplease has a big long bit about the Compilation tag on their profile, oh absolutely agree. Quite mad, the whole bit.

Can management please step in again.... ?
We are getting very tired of this ..... again....

lubeelee
Official.

Have you banged your head recently?

Official Releases of an Artist are previously unavailable sound recordings

any release containing previously available sound recordings are either a Reissue or Compilation.

OK lubeelee, we've had it again....
I will fill a SR, because this is getting nowhere....

lubeelee
any release containing previously available sound recordings are either a Reissue or Compilation.

what if it's an official 1-track release of a previously released track, not previously released as a 1-track release ?

lubeelee
the database requires 1 or the other of Reissue and Compilation tags applied to indicate Previously Issued Content

No, it does NOT. That may bet the case on lubeelee-cogs but NOT on Discogs.

aasaxell
Hardly a coincidence that you keep linking to releases that randomplease has previously edited and that randomplease seems to own most of your submissions.

...and randomplease has been banned, or was until recently. I'm very glad an SR was filed.

Style: Drone

Eviltoastman
That;s not strictly true. Nik never said a 7" cannot be a compilation. On the contrary. He just said that back to back hits releases could not be tagged as compilations.

Um... no, Toasty, sorry. In the last thread three track and four track 7" releases were also excluded from being entered as Compilations. Diognes_The_Fox to that effect. If you need links I can dig them up.

ahlbomper
what if it's an official 1-track release of a previously released track, not previously released as a 1-track release ?

if the previously available sound recording was from 1 previously availavle Release it is tagged a Reissue as Reissue can be applied when the Release is not the first issue of the sound recordings

so there we have it, an Official Release by an Artist is of previously Unavailable sound recordings and Releases containing previously available sound recordings are tagged Reissue or Compilation depending which guideline they satisfy, yet s and management are quite happy to continue expressing their ignorance of the phonographic sound recording industry by excluding 7" and 12" Singles from being tagged Compilatioins, because you personally don't like that they are moved from the Official Releases of the Artist to Official Compilation Releases of an Artist. like I said before good luck database, the s are sabotaging your success

JeroenG8
OK lubeelee, we've had it again....
I will fill a SR, because this is getting nowhere....

sorry jeroen,beat you to it, I already sent an sr before starting this thread

timetogo
If you need links I can dig them up.

i need links.

lubeelee
if the previously available sound recording was from 1 previously availavle Release it is tagged a Reissue as Reissue can be applied when the Release is not the first issue of the sound recordings

but at discogs we're talking releases, not sound recordings (when speaking about format...), no?

lubeelee
because you personally don't like that they are moved from the Official Releases of the Artist to Official Compilation Releases of an Artist.

The only one having personal issues here is you.

just one question left: are you f'ing kidding me?

s need to truly ask themselves why the aversion to the guideline for Releases across all Formats of previously available sound recordings being tagged Compilation because I believe none of you have considered the consequence of the exclusion.

Excluding Singles and 7" from being tagged Compilation will also include all 12" Singles, 7" EPs Cassette Singles, CD Singles, 10" Singles, etc etc

By the exclusion the only Format you are allowing tagged Compilation are LP!

If you believe you are acting in the best interests of the database then the Compilation guidelines don't need an exclusion popped in just to satisfy your personal standard,
if you believe the guidelines are inappropriate for the database they need rewriting, preferably in spoken not written english.

PS, who I am friends with is of no concern to s in this database.
I also take offence at swearing and being sworn at. That is on ignore along with 2 other trolls in this thread

lubeelee
By the exclusion the only Format you are allowing tagged Compilation are LP!

That's the biggest leap of logic I've seen in a while.

timetogo
Um... no, Toasty, sorry.

Actually nik was referring to magazine samplers. When actually asked about genuine compilations from previous sources and 7" singles, he failed to reply:
http://discogs.programascracks.com/forum/thread/368123#521510279469733cfcfa1a7d

See my link in my previous post of compilations on 7" records which aren't coupled singles or back to back hits but straightforward copilation. Nik never advised in that thread that a 7" could not be a compilation, which you were aware of as you posted after the question was posed.
http://discogs.programascracks.com/forum/thread/368123#521510279469733cfcfa1a68

As nik was speaking specifically about singles and back to back hits, where 7" is the format and it;s marketed or referred to as a compilation the tag should be a valid one. In fact there's no guideline or comment from nik saying we should act contrary to this. What I am responding to here is your over extension of what nik had said.

Baytree posted a small list which was also disregarded. I linked about hundreds of 7" compilations which should enjoy th tag. Many of them would be considered compilations if it were not for the accident of their format. Why should an 8track 7" with content from multiple sources and referred to as a compilation by the label not be considered a compilation on discogs but the same release on CD gets the tag? This was never discussed there for a simple reason. The thread was largely on topic and tried to stick with back to back hits.

lubeelee
if you believe the guidelines are inappropriate for the database they need rewriting, preferably in spoken not written english.

i think the guidelines would potentially be "beautiful" if spoken & issued on a double or triple... vinyl.
& possibly later issued in parts, or as remixes.

ahlbomper
i think the guidelines would potentially be "beautiful" if spoken & issued on a double or triple... vinyl.
& possibly later issued in parts, or as remixes.

The Discogs Release Submission Guidelines as read by Sir Ian McKellen.

Edit:
Something like this.

if you do not use the format tags Reissue or Compilation to fully descrtibe the release the database catalogues the release as a release containing previously Unavailable sound recordings. s may be able to read the Notes section about when the sound recordings were first released but the database can't.
the database needs the format descriptions to recognize the content of the release is not previously unavailable.

timetogo
In the last thread three track and four track 7" releases were also excluded from being entered as Compilations. nik reaffirmed comments by Diognes_The_Fox to that effect. If you need links I can dig them up.

I would be glad if you did since releases like this ( a 4-track 7")
The Beatles - Old Brown Shoe / Blue Jay Way / Long, Long, Long / Savoy Truffle
are compilations and satisfy all the criteria.
If there is a reason why they should be not (on Discogs), I'd be very interested to hear the arguments.

3 Official Album Releases & 4 Official Singles Releases
yet 6 Releases of previously available sound recordings have their own master in this artists Official Singles Releases
http://discogs.programascracks.com/artist/Esther+Williams

Official Single Releases 1967 & 1971 respectively
http://discogs.programascracks.com/R-Dean-Taylor-Gotta-See-Jane/master/209644
http://discogs.programascracks.com/R-Dean-Taylor-Candy-Apple-Red-Woman-Alive/release/4759174
what is this 1974 release?
http://discogs.programascracks.com/R-Dean-Taylor-Gotta-See-Jane/master/515682

http://discogs.programascracks.com/artist/Deon+Jackson
this artists profile is mainly correct, and has been for the past 7 months with nobody expressing concern but if you remove the tag informing the database that the sound recordings have been previously available it will move all 7" Single Compilation Releases back into their own master bags in the artists Official Singles Releases as Releases of previously unavailable sound recordings.

I don't even know what it is you're ranting about any more. "Master bags"???

StaticGuru
The Discogs Release Submission Guidelines as read by Sir Ian McKellen.

Edit:
Something like this.

*happy tears in my eyes*

http://discogs.programascracks.com/artist/Velvelettes%2C+The
this group released 4 original recordings of 'needle in a haystack' and 3 original recordings of 'he was really saying something' according to the s who disagree with the guidelines

lubeelee on a quest....
Sorry, I lost you again....

lubeelee
http://discogs.programascracks.com/artist/Deon+Jackson
this artists profile is mainly correct, and has been for the past 7 months with nobody expressing concern but if you remove the tag informing the database that the sound recordings have been previously available it will move all 7" Single Compilation Releases back into their own master bags in the artists Official Singles Releases as Releases of previously unavailable sound recordings.

When are you going to realize that the Discogs discography is not about sound recordings, but about releases ?

JeroenG8
When are you going to realize that the Discogs discography is not about sound recordings, but about releases ?

when are you going to realize the content of the releases Discogs s are catag in the database are sound recordings?

JeroenG8
When are you going to realize that the Discogs discography is not about sound recordings, but about releases ?

when are you going to realize the content of the releases Discogs s are catag in the database are sound recordings?

lubeelee
when are you going to realize the content of the releases Discogs s are catag in the database are sound recordings?

All releases contain sound recordings, but not all sound recordings are releases.

there are releases that contain recordings of silence in the database btw ;-)

StaticGuru
All releases contain sound recordings, but not all sound recordings are releases.

you are correct. the voicemail message on your smartphone you have made is a sound recording but unless you release it on an Official label I'm afraid you won't ever get your own profile page in the database mr mystery

Myrkvi174
there are releases that contain recordings of silence in the database btw ;-)

yes, but the silence has been recorded making it a sound recording

lubeelee
you won't ever get your own profile page in the database mr mystery

I already have one, but thanks for your concern.

For the love of god can someone in management please lock this thread as they did the last one. It's going nowhere and lubeelee is pretty much repeating himself all the time.

StaticGuru
I already have one, but thanks for your concern.

great, I would like to license a track of yours to put out on a Vinyl 7" Single Compilation Release, are you the (p) copyright owner of your sound recordings?

StaticGuru
I already have one, but thanks for your concern.

yeah and that hair picture scares me. thank you very much :(

lubeelee
great, I would like to license a track of yours to put out on a Vinyl 7" Single Compilation Release, are you the (p) copyright owner of your sound recordings?

No thanks, I'm good.

syke
yeah and that hair picture scares me. thank you very much :(

I think my face would be even scarier.

StaticGuru
I think my face would be even scarier.

just please don't do it! I beg you! Think of the children!

StaticGuru
No thanks, I'm good

that didn't answer my question. Are you the (p) copyright owner of your sound recordings?

lubeelee
when are you going to realize the content of the releases Discogs s are catag in the database are sound recordings?

When are you going to realize Discogs is catag the releases that contain the content and not the content itself?

dani72
For the love of god can someone in management please lock this thread as they did the last one. It's going nowhere and lubeelee is pretty much repeating himself all the time.

yes, please...

lubeelee
that didn't answer my question. Are you the (p) copyright owner of your sound recordings?

Yes I am, but what does that have to do with anything?

mr mystery if you released Orchestral Interlude and No Such Thing As Two on a 7" Vinyl SIngle in December how do you wish the database to catalog the release?
As a Reissue release of previously available sound recordings, or a release containing previously unavailable sound recordings?

lubeelee
As a Reissue release of previously available sound recordings

The 7" would not be a Reissue, because it would be a single of two tracks lifted from an album.

lubeelee
or a release containing previously unavailable sound recordings?

They have been available.

What is your point here?

dani72
lubeelee is pretty much repeating himself all the time.

why are you actually still reading his, uhm, imaginary tales of guidelines that are not but should be in a world far far away?

StaticGuru
The 7" would not be a Reissue, because it would be a single of two tracks lifted from an album.

2 tracks lifted from a previously available album in 2006,
6.17.1 Reissue can also be used where the content of the release is not the first issue of the work. This is generally independent of the format.
my point is you don't understand the guidelines of the database referencing Reissue

lubeelee
6.17.1 Reissue can also be used where the content of the release is not the first issue of the work. This is generally independent of the format.

The content of that release would indeed be the first issue of that particular work, seeing they have not been released that way before. See, when I take pieces from one work and insert them into somewhere else, it becomes a different piece of work entirely.

lubeelee
my point is you don't understand the guidelines of the database referencing Reissue

Yes, clearly I'm the one not understanding.

6.16.1. Unlike other Discogs tags such as 'Album' and 'Single', 'Compilation' does not need to appear on the release or be cited from a trustworthy source. The compilation tag can be used in conjunction with any other available tag, for example, 'Compilation, Album'. The guidelines remain the same for each individual tag.

you are all overlooking the fact this guideline references 'Album' and 'Single' before 'Compilation' and then gives one example of 'Compilation, Album',

The example could easily read 'Compilation, Single' as the compilation tag can be used in conjunction with any other available format

If 'Single' was to be excluded by the database from being tagged Compilation, why on earth is 'Single' even being referenced by the guideline?

Please stop using the examples the guidelines give as the basis for understanding the guideline and start using the guidelines for the databases benefit

All releases in the database are of sound recordings and the first issue of those sound recordings is of utmost importance as that is the Official release by the artist.

Any subsequent release containing titles previously available must be tagged Reissue or Compilation as they are not the Official release of the content by the artist. unless you are mr mystery and own the (p) copyright to the sound recordings.

btw mr mystery if this Album is Mixed why are there specific track Durations?
Do the track durations total the complete sound recording or is the duration of the complete sound recording less than the duration of the tracks? please add notes to indicate
http://discogs.programascracks.com/Glaciation-Glaciation/release/1613076

You seem to me mentally unstable. I am done with you.

lubeelee
If 'Single' was to be excluded by the database from being tagged Compilation, why on earth is 'Single' even being referenced by the guideline?

i don't think a "single" can also be tagged "compilation"?