[RESOLVED] Are these DJ Krush releases compilations?

Note: this was previously discussed briefly DJ Krush - Stepping Stones The Self-Remixed Best -Lyricism-

RSG §6.16.2 Use the 'Compilation' tag in the same way as other discographies, collectors, shops and the general public use it: To indicate a 'Greatest Hits', 'Best Of', or otherwise themed gathering of tracks, usually taken from a variety of previously issued sources.

Both releases are “best” of collections of remixes (hence the title).

According to DJ Krush “Stepping Stones is sort of like a greatest hits album,” Krush says. “I put together songs from my past, and I remixed the whole thing.”

According to MechaKucha for translating).

Opinions?

Inviting brandon_end

Hi berothbr, long time no talk :-)

berothbr
DJCOOLFX has decided to mass remove the compilation format from each version of these releases:

DJ Krush - Stepping Stones: The Self-Remixed Best -Soundscapes-
DJ Krush - Stepping Stones The Self-Remixed Best -Lyricism-

Actually, I've rather undone a mass edit previously made by another who decided to improperly add the Compilation tag to these albums... Too bad that nobody objected to it then, or at least started such a forum discussion, if it’s required.

In any case, I believe it’s accurate to remove the tag from these two releases since these are clearly not compilations, according to Discogs guidelines on the matter. I’ve explained on each edit :

DJCOOLFX
“RSG §6.16.6 This album is not a compilation as it includes previously unreleased tracks : some brand new tracks and/or remixed tracks (never released before). This release is also considered an album (and NOT a compilation) in DJ Krush’s discography. While these tags could be used together if both were accurate, it’s not the case here.

According to very clear guidelines, DJ Krush - Stepping Stones: The Self-Remixed Best -Soundscapes- are not compilations.
Only DJ Krush - Stepping Stones The Self-Remixed Best is a compilation of the two above releases.

> Removed incorrect Compilation tag.”

berothbr
Note: this was previously discussed briefly here.

Actually, this thread you started yourself a while back treats another subject : you requested that 3 different releases be merged under the same MR... which was rejected.

But as you said, it “briefly” mentioned some other points :

1. Album tag : the thread succeeded to properly agree that these 2 releases were actual albums. This is correct and, thanks to you, we could add the Album tag to the releases. You also seemed to agree that only DJ Krush - Stepping Stones The Self-Remixed Best was a compilation of the two albums… at least that’s how I understand it.

2. Compilation tag : this was unfortunately not discussed clearly in that thread… except when you suggested yourself that the compilation tag should be removed from the two albums and only remain for the actual compilation of the 2 albums :

berothbr
Therefore, as a follow up question, should only the compilation tag be used for the 2xCD and removed from the other two?

While a answered that : “If the individual releases are compilations too then the compilation tag should be used”... these are just NOT “compilations too”… and the tag should’ve been removed then.

Actually, you seemed to agree with me that these are not compilations, and you also correctly referred to post : “unless a consensus is reached, then RSG §6.16.6 prescribes removing the comp. tag”...
I’m sorry to say, but this seems like a wrong interpretation, upside down if I may, as it states that it should be discussed to use the tag, if in doubt… not not to remove the tag when improperly applied.

berothbr
RSG §16.1.2 Use the 'Compilation' tag in the same way as other discographies, collectors, shops and the general public use it: To indicate a 'Greatest Hits', 'Best Of', or otherwise themed gathering of tracks, usually taken from a variety of previously issued sources.

Except that these albums are absolutely NOT a “gathering of tracks, usually taken from a variety of previously issued sources”... because these tracks were previously unreleased (some tracks are brand new, and remixes are also new - hence the title of the albums).

berothbr
Both releases are “best” of collections of remixes (hence the title).

Again, this is a misleading way of presenting things here, and I’m not saying that it’s on purpose, but please just allow me to rephrase so that it’s clearer : Both releases are albums of remixes of “best” tracks (hence the title)... meaning that it is NOT “a collection” of best titles previously released… but rather new remixes of best titles… and therefore new tracks.

In short, these remixes were never released before. Also, some tracks are brand new titles, never released before either… meaning that this can’t possibly be considered as a compilation, also according to Discogs guidelines RSG §6.16.6 :

When Not To Use The 'Compilation' Tag:
> Releases reissued with bonus or extra tracks should not be tagged as a compilation...
> Releases containing previously unreleased tracks (or mostly previously unreleased tracks)

PS : These would be compilations if all the remixes / new tracks were previously released individually as singles, EPs or albums...

Edit :
The translation in the OP is just completely false, so the argument is deceptive and clearly misleading s. Even the who translated the source itted himself that he's not a native speaker and that it's just his own interpretation. Unfortunately, the OP keeps this invalid translation as a hard proof that official sources (record company) consider these albums as compilations... which isn't true.

Here is the actual translation :

https://www.sonymusicshop.jp/m/item/itemShw.php?site=S&ima=2734&dS2SPH=1&cd=SI000001047&srsltid=AfmBOop86S65q22QUCSPWe78NKIGswpfYcZdNVcJPufcWk32wDQY1xab

" The first ever best project! It's finally here!

12 years have ed since DJ KRUSH released his first album "KRUSH" in 1994 and began his career as a solo artist. He tours the world almost every year and continues to excite music fans around the world. Now, he has finally released an album of new remixes selected by himself, which can be said to be the culmination of his work to date! This is truly the ultimate best album! Starting with his signature song "Kemuri," "Duality," a collaboration with DJ Shadow, and instrumental tracks featuring Ahmir ?uestlove Thompson, Kodama Kazufumi, Morita Shuzan, and others, this album is released in a new look. This is an instrumental-only album that not only DJ KRUSH fans but also club music fans have been waiting for. It also includes two luxurious new songs! Lyricism (Rap & Vocal) and soundscapes (Instrumental), released simultaneously in Japan first!!! "

DJCOOLFX
Actually, I've rather undone a mass edit previously made by another who decided to improperly add the Compilation tag to these albums

This was discussed 9 years ago. Everyone agreed to add compilation to the format.

DJCOOLFX
you suggested yourself that the compilation tag should be removed from the two albums and only remain for the actual compilation of the 2 albums :

I was clearly asking a question. Please don’t cherry pick quotes from nine years ago.

DJCOOLFX
Except that these albums are absolutely NOT a “gathering of tracks, usually taken from a variety of previously issued sources”... because these tracks were previously unreleased (some tracks are brand new, and remixes are also new - hence the title of the albums).

“Usually” is the operative word here. The guideline does not say that releases with unreleased tracks cannot be a compilation.

DJCOOLFX
Again,this is a misleading way of presenting things here

No it’s not. Both releases are clearly titled as “best” and consist mainly of reworks of previously released tracks. Yes most of these are newly remixed versions, but these are still collections of old material. Lyricism is a collection of vocal remixes. IIRC Soundscapes is a collection of remixed instrumentals.
In fact, this review begins by stating that “Stepping Stones is essentially a best-of and remix record in one.”

Edit:
This review also states “next month DJ Krush is releasing his first-ever “greatest hits” collection. However, rather than just put out a standard rehash of hits, Krush decided to put a unique spin on the “best of” concept by going back and reworking some of his favorite tracks.”

It’s literally a best of project.

Edit2:
This review states “ And though a remix comp does not a new experiment make”

This review states “Stepping Stones presents a tidy overview of Krush’s long career,”

This review states “So with the release of Stepping Stones: The Self-Remixed Best, Krush comes full circle, paying homage to years of innovation and eccentricity while offering a selection of some of his best material in a format that even longtime listeners will find invigorating.”

This review states “The timing is right for Krush to come out with a greatest hits collection”

This article states “In 2006, he released a two-CD compilation, Stepping Stones: The Self-Remixed Best; the first disc featured vocalists, while the second was instrumental.”

DJ Krush states in this interview “Stepping Stones is sort of like a greatest hits album,” Krush says. “I put together songs from my past, and I remixed the whole thing.”

This review “That moment is a highlight on Stepping Stones, his remixed collection of favorite tracks.”

DJCOOLFX
When Not To Use The 'Compilation' Tag: Releases reissued with bonus or extra tracks should not be tagged as a compilation

This is not relevant because these are not an old release that was reissued with new bonus/extra material, I.e., there was no previous “Stepping Stones” release.

Anyway, I know trying to discuss this (or anything else) with you is completely pointless because you never accept what other people have to say. The reason I opened this thread is to see what other people have to say.

Inviting some people who are well versed in this issue.

rdvriese

berothbr
Yes most of these are newly remixed versions, but these are still collections of old material

If that's true, then I'm +1 to a comp. I don't know these BTW.

Compilations do not have to be previously released. If there's one line in the entirety of the guidelines that should be deleted and erased from our collective memory that's it.

Anyway, for these specifically, I don't think Compilation applies, they're Remix Albums, and while they take a 'best of' approach to which tracks Krush wanted to remix, they aren't actually Best Of Albums as we normally think about them.

I would leave the tag off, were it solely my decision.

I don't know...
However

Edit:
This review also states “next month DJ Krush is releasing his first-ever “greatest hits” collection. However, rather than just put out a standard rehash of hits, Krush decided to put a unique spin on the “best of” concept by going back and reworking some of his favorite tracks.”

It’s literally a best of project.

Seems to suggest compilation

berothbr
Everyone agreed to add compilation to the format.

Not the case. Different topic. Tag was already there and merely 2 s in that discussion (decided) to disregard clear guidelines. That's not what we call a clear consensus... especially against guidelines.

berothbr
I was clearly asking a question. Please don’t cherry pick quotes from nine years ago.

I was just pointing out that you’ve argued that way, that the two releases may not be compilations. If you asked the question, you also seemed to agree with this.
PS : With all due respect, you’ve been cherry picking quotes ever since I crossed your way. Nothing wrong there I believe.

DJCOOLFX
Except that these albums are absolutely NOT a “gathering of tracks, usually taken from a variety of previously issued sources”... because these tracks were previously unreleased (some tracks are brand new, and remixes are also new - hence the title of the albums).

berothbr
Usually is the operative word here. The guideline does not say that releases with unreleased tracks cannot be a compilation.

“Usually the operative word here” ? > That's what I call incorrect interpretation since, yes, the guidelines do say that.
RSG §6.16.6 : “When Not To Use The 'Compilation' Tag: Releases containing previously unreleased tracks (or mostly previously unreleased tracks) that are not called compilations by an official source.”

DJCOOLFX
Again, this is a misleading way of presenting things here

berothbr
No it’s not. Both releases are clearly titled as “best” and consist mainly of reworks of previously released tracks. Yes most of these are newly remixed versions, but these are still collections of old material. Lyricism is a collection of vocal remixes. IIRC Soundscapes is a collection of remixed instrumentals.

Remixes / reworks are new and were previously unreleased. What’s misleading is your inclusion of the word “collection” and insisting that these were previously released.
> In any case, are you saying that reworks / remixes of tracks are not new materials? I clearly don’t see where you’re going to with your arguments of “collection of old materials”... Sorry but I find your presentation misleading. Reworks / Remixes are new tracks.

berothbr
In fact, this review begins by stating that “Stepping Stones is essentially a best-of and remix record in one.”

And so? Where does it say that it’s a “compilation” ? On the other hand, it tells us that : “There are five new tracks in total. Three of these are on the Soundscapes disc... The other two (an original and its remix) are, obviously, on the first.”

… and again : RSG §6.16.6 is telling us “When Not To Use The 'Compilation' Tag: Releases containing previously unreleased tracks (or mostly previously unreleased tracks) that are not called compilations by an official source.”

EDIT : ... and not some obscure "reviews" from unknown sources calling it one way and then the other.

Sorry don’t know the artist and don’t have the energy to look into the releases enough to give a informed opinion on the subject at this time.

berothbr
DJCOOLFXWhen Not To Use The 'Compilation' Tag: Releases reissued with bonus or extra tracks should not be tagged as a compilation
This is not relevant because these are not an old release that was reissued with new bonus/extra material, I.e., there was no previous “Stepping Stones” release.

Ok, so how about this part of RSG §6.16.6 ?
“When Not To Use The 'Compilation' Tag: Releases containing previously unreleased tracks (or mostly previously unreleased tracks) that are not called compilations by an official source.”

berothbr
Anyway, I know trying to discuss this (or anything else) with you is completely pointless because you never accept what other people have to say. The reason I opened this thread is to see what other people have to say.

Lol, there you go again... some easy djcoolfx bashing. Seems like you have some resentment ;-)). Not sure why you say that we can't talk ? I'm here to discuss and provide clear arguments, in 3 crystal clear points :

1. These albums include some brand new tracks
2. These albums include unreleased remixes / reworks of old tracks, making them new material
3. RSG §6.16.6 clearly states that “When Not To Use The 'Compilation' Tag: Releases containing previously unreleased tracks (or mostly previously unreleased tracks) that are not called compilations by an official source.”

Opdiner
berothbrYes most of these are newly remixed versions, but these are still collections of old material

If that's true, then I'm +1 to a comp. I don't know these BTW.

Except that it's not true : these are NOT "collections of old material". It's just false to say that. All of it (100%) is brand new unreleased material. That's all there is to it.

cellularsmoke
Anyway, for these specifically, I don't think Compilation applies, they're Remix Albums, and while they take a 'best of' approach to which tracks Krush wanted to remix, they aren't actually Best Of Albums as we normally think about them.

I don’t know this seems very debatable to me.

OK, so - what's the debate?

Do remixed tracks count as Compilations if they're presented as "Best Of" type releases?
Or would any collection of Remixed tracks be counted as a Compilation?

berothbr
Both releases are “best” of collections of remixes (hence the title).

Opinions?

Anyway your topic / presentation is just 100% misleading, if not a lie! Sickening alteration of facts.

0 track (0% of the material) in either of these albums were ever released.
Not a “best of collections” in any way. What a farce.

cellularsmoke
OK, so - what's the debate?

Do remixed tracks count as Compilations if they're presented as "Best Of" type releases?
Or would any collection of Remixed tracks be counted as a Compilation?

Is a remix / reworked track new material, or not ?
Are remixes considered the same tracks as originals ?
Can 10 or 12 unreleased tracks (remixes + brand new tracks) be considered a compilation ?

That’s the debate.

cellularsmoke
Do remixed tracks count as Compilations if they're presented as "Best Of" type releases?

Yes — this is basically the issue.

DJCOOLFX
if not a lie!

Please do not call other s liars. This is extremely rude and uncalled for.

Opdiner
I don't know these BTW.

It's not unprecedented —it's supposed to be a retrospective of old tracks that they remixed for said retrospective.

DJCOOLFX
Can 10 or 12 unreleased tracks (remixes + brand new tracks) be considered a compilation ?

Yes, they absolutely can. Compilations do not have to be only previously issued tracks. That has never been the only hard requirement.

Hence the discussion.

These releases are presented as "Best Of" type releases, they're a deviation from the norm in that all the songs have been remixed by the original artist. So the discussion is, are they a Compilation because Best Of albums are almost always Compilations of the artists previous work, or do they cease to be a Compilation simply because they are not simply the original songs as originally presented.

It's a pretty valid question honestly. You getting all defensive isn't really needed here. It's not an attack on you as a person - it's a question of 'were the edits actually correct based on how we classify these releases'.

I'm kind of leaning towards 'Yes, they are a Compilation even though they're remixes" because the original source material is spread across the artists career up to that point. They aren't a remix of a specific album, or period, but selected from their entire repetoire.

So, yeah. Compilation Tag should be OK to apply here.

cellularsmoke
Compilations do not have to be only previously issued tracks. That has never been the only hard requirement.

And why not just apply guidelines rather than claim that said guidelines are not so clear :

RSG §6.16.3. The tag can be used when a release takes previously available tracks from different sources, and repackages them. NOT THE CASE HERE.

RSG §6.16.4 The tag can be used when the release is two or more previously available releases packaged together. NOT THE CASE HERE.

cellularsmoke
These releases are presented as "Best Of" type releases, they're a deviation from the norm in that all the songs have been remixed by the original artist…

the original source material is spread across the artists career up to that point. They aren't a remix of a specific album, or period, but selected from their entire repetoire.

Still NOT THE CASE HERE as I keep repeating that 2 or 3 tracks in each album are BRAND NEW UNRELEASED TRACKS.

Here again, your allegations are not correct. Could you recognize this? I doubt it, although guidelines are very clear and you just seem to refuse reading it correctly.

RSG §6.16.6 “When Not To Use The 'Compilation' Tag: Releases containing previously unreleased tracks (or mostly previously unreleased tracks) that are not called compilations by an official source.”

What’s not clear here?

cellularsmoke
It's not an attack on you as a person - it's a question of 'were the edits actually correct based on how we classify these releases'

No worries, I’m not taking this personal… I’m just saying that guidelines are Crystal Clear on the matter : Previously unreleased material can’t ever be a compilation. Classifying it as such would just be a collection of ridiculously twisted and misapplied guidelines.

COMPILATIONS CAN CONSIST ENTIRELY OF PREVIOUSLY UNRELEASED SONGS AND STILL BE COMPILATIONS.

cellularsmoke
It's a pretty valid question honestly. You getting all defensive isn't really needed here.

+1

DJCOOLFX
I’m just saying that guidelines are Crystal Clear on the matter

Yes you’ve thoroughly explained why you feel this way. Other people do not agree with you.

cellularsmoke
COMPILATIONS CAN CONSIST ENTIRELY OF PREVIOUSLY UNRELEASED SONGS AND STILL BE COMPILATIONS.

WHERE IS THIS IN THE GUIDELINES PLEASE

RSG §6.16.2 would apply here.

The two guidelines you site do not say "Can only be used" but "can be used" which is a conditional statement that allows the use, but is not an exclusive statement to being the only use, or disallowing other definitions to also use the tag.

You've just so narrowly defined is that you are no longer reading the guidelines. Like the guideline regarding Color in the FtF people have created a definition and aren't actually processing the words written.

Anyway, time for other people to weight in. You've repeated yourself enough.

DJCOOLFX
WHERE IS THIS IN THE GUIDELINES PLEASE

Please calm down. There’s no need to shout. This has been discussed numerous times. As stated above, the issue is whether these qualify under RSG §6.16.2.

berothbr
Anyway, I know trying to discuss this (or anything else) with you is completely pointless because you never accept what other people have to say. The reason I opened this thread is to see what other people have to say.

cellularsmoke
You getting all defensive isn't really needed here. It's not an attack on you as a person

I wonder who got this on the personal level, then called on the same s as always to single out anyone disagreeing with him. This is all calm discussions once we get used to the method, the unsustainable claim that guidelines don’t really mean what’s written because «other people don’t read it the same way as I do». So this isn’t personal but I yet have to see any clear arguments… other than the good old «This has been discussed numerous times» when it wasn’t, immediately ed by good friend saying that guidelines «do not say "Can only be used" but "can be used" which is a conditional statement that allows the use, but is not an exclusive statement to being the only use, or disallowing other definitions to also use…» waow I’m baffled.

berothbr
As stated above, the issue is whether these qualify under RSG §6.16.2.

No. As stated above, the point is that RSG §6.16.3 and RSG §6.16.6 clearly say that the tag doesn’t apply… and RSG §6.16.2 still doesn’t help to allow the tag here…

RSG §6.16.2 Use the 'Compilation' tag in the same way as other discographies, collectors, shops and the general public use it: To indicate a 'Greatest Hits', 'Best Of', or otherwise themed gathering of tracks, usually taken from a variety of previously issued sources.
> Simple : The tracks were NOT from previously issued sources

DJCOOLFX you don’t need to repeat yourself. Please give other people the opportunity to share their opinion.

Actually, this kind of releases is rather outside of my area of expertise, if only because I don't particularly care about remixes. (Disclaimer: major bias alert.)

As far as my understanding of guidelines goes, RSG §6.16.6. doesn't mention anything about remixes. If someone just puts a beat under an existing track I don't really consider that a creative achievement, it's just the same - previously released - track tinkered with a bit. Throw some together and that's still a compilation of previously released tracks, just tinkered with a bit.

An existing track should be very much "disfigured" before I consider it new material.

DJCOOLFX
> Simple : The tracks were NOT from previously issued sources

"usually".

it's a fun word. now STFU.

rdvriese
Actually, this kind of releases is rather outside of my area of expertise, if only because I don't particularly care about remixes. (Disclaimer: major bias alert.)

As far as my understanding of guidelines goes, RSG §6.16.6. doesn't mention anything about remixes. If someone just puts a beat under an existing track I don't really consider that a creative achievement, it's just the same - previously released - track tinkered with a bit. Throw some together and that's still a compilation of previously released tracks, just tinkered with a bit.

An existing track should be very much "disfigured" before I consider it new material.

Ok, and what about 2-3 brand new tracks in the album? Does that count ?

Calling some actual database s to give their honest opinion :

zin

Based on the label's promo sheet/blurb, this IS a remix album, not a compilation:

https://www.sonymusicshop.jp/m/item/itemShw.php?site=S&ima=1608&cd=SI000001047

初のベスト企画！満を持して遂に登場！！
DJ KRUSHが1994年に1st ALBUM『KRUSH』をリリースし、ソロ･アーティストとして本格的に活動を始めて12年。毎年のようにワールド･ツアーを行い、世界中のミュージック･ファンを興奮させ続けてきたDJ KRUSHの、現時点での集大成ともいえる、本人によるセレクト、新たなるリミックスによるアルバムを遂にリリース！これぞまさに究極のベスト･アルバム!!代表曲「Kemuri」をはじめ、DJ Shadowとの共演曲「Duality」、Ahmir ?uestlove Thompson, こだま和文, 森田柊山などをフィーチャーしたインストゥルメンタル楽曲が新しい装いで登場。DJ KRUSHファンのみならず、クラブミュージック･ファン待望のインスト･オンリー･アルバム。そして贅沢にも新曲2曲収録！lyricism(Rap＆Vocal)、soundscapes(Instrumental)、2枚同時、日本先行リリース!!!

translates to:

The first ever best project! It's finally here! 12 years have ed since DJ KRUSH released his first album "KRUSH" in 1994 and began his career as a solo artist. He tours the world almost every year and continues to excite music fans around the world. Now, he has finally released an album of new remixes selected by himself, which can be said to be the culmination of his work to date! This is truly the ultimate best album!! Starting with his signature song "Kemuri," "Duality," a collaboration with DJ Shadow, and instrumental tracks featuring Ahmir ?uestlove Thompson, Kodama Kazufumi, Morita Shuzan, and others, the album is now available in a new look. This is an instrumental-only album that not only DJ KRUSH fans but also club music fans have been waiting for. It also includes two luxurious new songs! Lyricism (Rap & Vocal) and soundscapes (Instrumental), released simultaneously in Japan first!!!

My vote, based on this, is +1 to Album, -1 to Compilation

zin
Now, he has finally released an album of new remixes selected by himself, which can be said to be the culmination of his work to date!

That would suggest to me it’s both, an album and a compilation. The two are not mutually exclusive and that states it’s a selection of his earlier work, remixed.

Opdiner
That would suggest to me it’s both, an album and a compilation. The two are not mutually exclusive and that states it’s a selection of his earlier work, remixed.

How does "new remixes" translate to "selection of his earlier work"?

IMHO the language there is not using compilation on purpose, and "album" is used across the whole text.

zin
OpdinerThat would suggest to me it’s both, an album and a compilation. The two are not mutually exclusive and that states it’s a selection of his earlier work, remixed.

How does "new remixes" translate to "selection of his earlier work"?

IMHO the language there is not using compilation on purpose, and "album" is used across the whole text.

Indeed, remixes are considered New Works / Material.
+ there are brand new tracks
> Not a compilation as per guidelines

I don't have either release and would defer to DJCOOLFX, who has greater knowledge in this genre. Looking at the discography page of djkrush.jp/en/disco/, these releases are listed as Self Remix Best Albums as opposed to what I guess you would call canonical albums, between 8th album Jaku and 9th album Butterfly Effect, so the artist recognizes a difference. Personally I read that as though he did a new project to celebrate his career up to that point - a project, but not simply a Greatest Hits, which is why it's not numbered as an album. Purely conjecture, of course!

zin
The first ever best project! It's finally here! 12 years have ed since DJ KRUSH released his first album "KRUSH" in 1994 and began his career as a solo artist. He tours the world almost every year and continues to excite music fans around the world. Now, he has finally released an album of new remixes selected by himself, which can be said to be the culmination of his work to date! This is truly the ultimate best album!! Starting with his signature song "Kemuri," "Duality," a collaboration with DJ Shadow, and instrumental tracks featuring Ahmir ?uestlove Thompson, Kodama Kazufumi, Morita Shuzan, and others, the album is now available in a new look. This is an instrumental-only album that not only DJ KRUSH fans but also club music fans have been waiting for. It also includes two luxurious new songs! Lyricism (Rap & Vocal) and soundscapes (Instrumental), released simultaneously in Japan first!!!

Going by this: If I were collecting all his albums and 2006 rolled around and I picked this up, this release would feel to me as a new album as opposed to a compilation because the artist made the effort to create new remixes and put together a specific package. He didn't just gather up existing remixes. I know that might not necessarily align with Discogs, but those are my 2 cents.

While RSG §6.16.5 appears to apply to the artist website, while RSG §6.16.2 has the clause usually taken from a variety of previously issued sources. It doesn't feel like a compilation to me as other discographies, collectors, shops and the general public use it, but the artist may have inadvertently labeled it as such by naming it the way he did and referring to it the way he does.

zin
IMHO the language there is not using compilation on purpose, and "album" is used across the whole text.

Did you see the quotes from the reviews I posted above?

Edit:
I just bolded the text.

Found
It doesn't feel like a compilation to me

Did you see my quote above? DJ Krush himself stated that it was a greatest hits album.

See previous post.

The quote where he said "Sort of like..."? Yes, I get it. And I noted that he does not consider it an album in his discography. But my humble opinion (and I do not have this release, so please take with a grain of salt) is that this appears to be a project as opposed to a compilation in the typical RSG §6.16.2 sense.

However, I also noted the way that the artist named the release (meaning "Best" is in the title) and the way he refers to it (as "Self Remix Best Albums" on his website as opposed to the numbered albums in his discography). When I referenced RSG §6.16.5, the respected source would be the artist's website.

Found
And I noted that he does not consider it an album in his discography.

What do you mean? It’s literally listed in the albums section of his website. Also, no one is disputing the album format. That’s clearly valid.

zin
How does "new remixes" translate to "selection of his earlier work"?

New remixes of what? His earlier work. I'm sorry but your document now confirms that comp is fine here too. Both can be used. IMO it's a comp per guidelines.

He even says:

zin
It also includes two luxurious new songs!

What does that make the other songs? Old songs.

DJCOOLFX
Indeed, remixes are considered New Works / Material.

No, they are not. We've had several discussions over the years where people have argued that, and AFAICR, it's always been decided, including by management, that remixes are versions of the same works. The whole point of a "re"-mix is that it is a remix of the song and it almost always has the same title to identify it as such. If some artist releases a single and puts three different 12"s of different mixes out, we don't create a new MR.

Reviews ;-))). Funny how some s here go out of their way for days to find the ambiguous words collection and selection (never compilation) in some reviews… since they can’t apply ANY of the guidelines to correctly tag these albums as compilation. In any case :
RSG §6.16.2 doesn’t apply : NOT “taken from a variety of previously issued sources”
RSG §6.16.3 doesn’t apply : NOT “previously available tracks from different sources”
RSG §6.16.4 doesn’t apply : NOT “two or more previously available releases packaged together“
RSG §6.16.5 doesn’t apply : NOT called compilation in “Official discographies and other respected sources”
Only RSG §6.16.6 does apply : When Not To Use The 'Compilation' Tag:
> “Releases reissued with bonus or extra tracks should not be tagged as a compilation.”
> “'Sampler', 'mixed' or 'split' releases should not be tagged as a compilation” (hmmm, did I read mixed?)
> “ Releases containing previously unreleased tracks (or mostly previously unreleased tracks) that are not called compilations by an official source.”
> “If there is doubt or disagreement, please do not use the tag”

Then you can always call some friends claiming that it’s not really what it says since “guidelines you site do not say "Can only be used" but "can be used" which is a conditional statement that allows the use, but is not an exclusive statement to being the only use, or disallowing other definitions to also use the tag.”

Waow, just waow

DJCOOLFX
mixed'[b] or 'split' releases should not be tagged as a compilation” (hmmm, did I read mixed?)

Neither of those releases are mixed.

Opdiner
zinHow does "new remixes" translate to "selection of his earlier work"?

New remixes of what? His earlier work.

DJCOOLFXIndeed, remixes are considered New Works / Material.

No, they are not… remixes are versions of the same works. The whole point of a "re"-mix is that it is a remix of the song and it almost always has the same title to identify it as such. If some artist releases a single and puts three different 12"s of different mixes out, we don't create a new MR.

Of course, a remix is new material, absolutely… especially a remix / reworking from the original artist, as is the case here. I understand that most of you never listened to these tracks, and that’s fine, but nobody could sincerely say that they’re the same tracks.

Q: If some artist releases a one track single 12"… and then releases the same one track single 12", remixed, is it considered a reissue?

Of course not, because it’s just different work / material. Period.

… so strange how you keep inventing that these albums are a “collection of his earlier works” while 1. It’s not true, 2. It’s not written anywhere on the release, 3. Only the OP here is claiming this, 4. You keep disregarding that it includes brand new tracks on top of unreleased completely remixed tracks, 5. You disregard ALL guidelines, and 6. You have 0 guidelines to clearly apply when deciding that you feel this is a compilation. Waow that’s some collection of misinterpretation.

Meanwhile, this album says :
“Newly remixed by KRUSH himself
Includes 2 brand-new tracks”

100% new, unreleased, material.

berothbr
DJCOOLFXmixed'[b] or 'split' releases should not be tagged as a compilation” (hmmm, did I read mixed?)Neither of those releases are mixed.

Indeed, but it’s the closest thing to "remixes" you’ll find in guidelines on Compilations… compared to the far stretched misinterpretations you seem to pull out. Sorry to say.

DJCOOLFX
Of course, a remix is new material, absolutely… especially a remix / reworking from the original artist, as is the case here.

Let's agree to disagree here. And, yes, I know Krush quite well. IMO these are comps and the only argument I'm seeing that they are not is people digging their heels in and saying NOT NOT. That press release removed any doubt for me.

berothbr
Neither of those releases are mixed.

Indeed, that's a totally different thing.

Nevermind.

berothbr
What do you mean? It’s literally listed in the albums section of his website. Also, no one is disputing the album format. That’s clearly valid.

I meant that on his website, http://djkrush.jp/en/disco, he numbers releases of what he considers to be his albums, with Jaku as his 8th album, and Butterfly Effect as his 9th album, and these releases labeled as Self Remix Best Albums in between them. Not disputing the album tag, but pointing out that the artist sees a difference between these and his other albums.

zin
My vote, based on this, is +1 to Album, -1 to Compilation

Releases can be both at the same time.

DJCOOLFX
Indeed, remixes are considered New Works / Material.
+ there are brand new tracks

No, remixes are not brand new. They are new versions of preexisting work.

Found
Going by this: If I were collecting all his albums and 2006 rolled around and I picked this up, this release would feel to me as a new album as opposed to a compilation because the artist made the effort to create new remixes and put together a specific package. He didn't just gather up existing remixes.

Well, as someone who happens to be a DJ Krush fan for a very long time, I see this differently.

He selected songs from his past releases and collected them to present a retrospective of his work, reworking them a bit.
For me this falls squarely into RSG §6.16.1.

+1 compilations

esque

DJCOOLFXIndeed, remixes are considered New Works / Material.
+ there are brand new tracks

No, remixes are not brand new. They are new versions of preexisting work.

So not only remixes are new tracks, but I also meant to remind that there are also brand new tracks in addition to the new remixes… which falls squarely into RSG §6.16.6 “When Not To Use The 'Compilation' Tag”

Hype sticker reads :
“Newly remixed by KRUSH himself
Includes 2 brand-new tracks”

berothbr
Did you see the quotes from the reviews I posted above?

I'm sorry, but official label promo text >>>>> any review

esque
No, remixes are not brand new. They are new versions of preexisting work.

This is some weird mental gymnastics, OF COURSE remixes are new work, yes they use stems of existing tracks, but the production / composition is new. I'm not talking here about this particular releases, but remix production in general. Claiming otherwise is just wrong. It's like saying ambient music sampling field recordings is "new version of preexisting work" :)

zin
esqueNo, remixes are not brand new. They are new versions of preexisting work.

This is some weird mental gymnastics, OF COURSE remixes are new work, yes they use stems of existing tracks, but the production / composition is new. I'm not talking here about this particular releases, but remix production in general. Claiming otherwise is just wrong. It's like saying ambient music sampling field recordings is "new version of preexisting work" :)

Of course yes indeed.
+ again and again, these albums ALSO include brand new tracks… so RSG §6.16.6 applies “When Not To Use The 'Compilation' Tag”. That’s all there is to it.

esque
For me this falls squarely into RSG §6.16.1.

No. It does not. But in any case, RSG §6.16.1 says what could eventually be a compilation… unless RSG §6.16.6 applies. So even if you feel that 6.16.1 applies (which it does not), please don’t stop at .1 and keep reading guidelines all the way to 6.16.6 hence canceling all previous possibilities (.1 > .5) to apply the tag. Guidelines numbering make it pretty simple to follow, even when you absolutely want to read the rules sideways or upside down.

DJ Krush - Reload - The Remix Collection is a collection of his earlier works (previously released works / remixes)… therefore a true, undisputed, compilation… Very much unlike these albums discussed here. I really see no reason for any of you to go out of your ways and insist that "you feel" this is a collection of previous works (which it’s obviously not) and so insist that these absolutely have to be tagged as compilations, running afoul of all very clear guidelines. I’m sure that you have much better to do, and a most important cause to serve.

zin
The first ever best project! It's finally here! 12 years have ed since DJ KRUSH released his first album "KRUSH" in 1994 and began his career as a solo artist. He tours the world almost every year and continues to excite music fans around the world. Now, he has finally released an album of new remixes selected by himself, which can be said to be the culmination of his work to date! This is truly the ultimate best album!! Starting with his signature song "Kemuri," "Duality," a collaboration with DJ Shadow, and instrumental tracks featuring Ahmir ?uestlove Thompson, Kodama Kazufumi, Morita Shuzan, and others, the album is now available in a new look. This is an instrumental-only album that not only DJ KRUSH fans but also club music fans have been waiting for. It also includes two luxurious new songs! Lyricism (Rap & Vocal) and soundscapes (Instrumental), released simultaneously in Japan first!!!

As already mention by someone this feels more like a 'project' than a 'best of' compilation. yet per GL compilation tag is fine here.

I would not tag it a compilation.

zin
I'm sorry, but official label promo text >>>>> any review

Did you see the quote from DJ Krush himself?

DJCOOLFX please stop overwhelming the thread by repeating yourself. Please allow other people have the opportunity to share their opinion.

Found
Not disputing the album tag, but pointing out that the artist sees a difference between these and his other albums.

How is that relevant to the compilation format?

berothbr
DJCOOLFX please stop overwhelming the thread by repeating yourself. Please allow other people have the opportunity to share their opinion.

Pleased STOP trying to boss me around and then tell everyone that I take this personal! That’s just ridiculous when considering YOUR 19 POSTS trying to say that guidelines RSG §6.16.1, RSG §6.16.2, RSG §6.16.3, RSG §6.16.4, RSG §6.16.5 and RSG §6.16.6 actually don’t say what’s clearly written. So please just allow me to say what I have to say when I want to say it…

[quote=DJCOOLFX]rdvrieseActually, this kind of releases is rather outside of my area of expertise, if only because I don't particularly care about remixes. (Disclaimer: major bias alert.)

totally agree with you

Bumping for more opinions…….

berothbr
Bumping for more opinions…….

Inviting some more people for their opinions about the compilation format.

dustoff

Had a read through this thread (sorry, wasn't keeping track of positions per person), this is a tough one, we love clarity even when it's difficult...
I think that the point when this matters is when looking at the artists discography - where would I expect to see these listed? For me I listen to this DJ Krush - Stepping Stones The Self-Remixed Best -Lyricism- as a unique release and feel the tracks relate well with each other, it feels like an album to me, when I think of purely the data it comes across as a compilation.
I cannot even agree with myself. Perhaps what should be considered here is whether a retropective homage by the artist himself is the same as a re-compiled re-issue of tracks.
Why does discogs want a distinction? Seems it's just for the artists page listings rather than to define an exact theme, but gotta choose, or it's 'Miscellaneous'....
My opinion does't really matter, if I was entering it I'd toss it about then enter as album, if it was moved, I'd shrug my shoulders and think 'well, can't agrue it really'
Sorry....

If those are indeed new remixes (which are different versions, at least in the realms of electronic music) then it's new; not pre-existing, recompiled material - that's on the factual side.
I definitely wouldn't tag it as a compilation, but would rather not tag it as an album either, especially if the source (artist or label) don't view it as an album. The runtime is enough for the system to not shove it in the misc section.

amad65
I definitely wouldn't tag it as a compilation, but would rather not tag it as an album either, especially if the source (artist or label) don't view it as an album

Did you see the quote from the artist and the reference to their website?

berothbr
Did you see the quote from the artist and the reference to their website?

Yes, I skimmed throught that. What in particular?

amad65
What in particular?

He called it a “greatest hits album” and it’s declared as an album in the discography on his website.

OK, i mixed some of the quotes. Thought the ads were saying album. If Krush himself states it's an album, then allelujah. Compilation it is not. But then he's not counting it among his main albums, if I'm correct now.

amad65
OK, i mixed some of the quotes. Thought the ads were saying album. If Krush himself states it's an album, then allelujah. Compilation it is not

He’s called it a greatest hits album, so it’s both.

Greatest Hits doesn't automatically mean compilation. He could call it compilation and it wouldn't make it one.
Compilation tag is factual. 'Album' is more on the arbitrary side.
How many times releases are printed as compilations were they aren't in discogs (and the audience) world. Then artists re-record their past hits or put out concert releases all the time and call it greatest hits compilations and treat it as such.

DJCOOLFX
+ there are brand new tracks
> Not a compilation as per guidelines

Has this been properly addressed by anyone else yet? Is this not a valid argument, or is it another case of an imprecise guideline?

pirrenberry
I think that the point when this matters is when looking at the artists discography - where would I expect to see these listed? For me I listen to this DJ Krush - Stepping Stones The Self-Remixed Best -Lyricism- as a unique release and feel the tracks relate well with each other, it feels like an album to me

Yes indeed, everyone agrees that this is an album, and it’s properly tagged as such.

pirrenberry
when I think of purely the data it comes across as a compilation. I cannot even agree with myself. Perhaps what should be considered here is whether a retropective homage by the artist himself is the same as a re-compiled re-issue of tracks.

Actually it is NOT “a re-compiled re-issue of tracks” since it’s unreleased new remixes + brand new tracks put together in a new album release… hence not a compilation as per guidelines.

amad65
OK, i mixed some of the quotes. Thought the ads were saying album. If Krush himself states it's an album, then allelujah. Compilation it is not.

Indeed, that’s factual.

amad65
Greatest Hits doesn't automatically mean compilation. He could call it compilation and it wouldn't make it one.
Compilation tag is factual. 'Album' is more on the arbitrary side.
How many times releases are printed as compilations were they aren't in discogs (and the audience) world.

+1. Again, correct. Compilations here are often different than what artists consider themselves... and this wouldn’t work here, even if DJ Krush clearly called it a compilation on a a huge hype sticker, which he didn’t. 1. This is not a greatest hits album + 2. guidelines say it cannot be tagged as compilation.

dunforthemoment

DJCOOLFX
+ there are brand new tracks
> Not a compilation as per guidelines

Has this been properly addressed by anyone else yet? Is this not a valid argument?

Thank you for paying attention!! Of course this is a valid argument… an argument making this whole thread completely useless… This isn’t called a compilation on the release itself or an official source (label), and even if it was, guidelines is clear that the tag shouldn’t be used on Discogs. Even some “reviews” with such words as “collection” wouldn’t be a hard proof that this can be tagged in the Discogs database as a compilation. On the contrary, written guidelines indicate that this cannot be tagged as a such, starting with the guidelines you are referring to : RSG §6.16.6 where it clearly states that this cannot be a compilation if there are brand new, unreleased, tracks in this album.

DJCOOLFX
making this whole thread completely useless

I don't think that. There are some clear signs of when it went off track when you read it back, and you can continue reading from there onward to see the effect of those moments. I feel we're going to get to some sort of a more respectful code of conduct which is actually enacted.

dunforthemoment
DJCOOLFXmaking this whole thread completely useless

I don't think that. There are some clear signs of when it went off track when you read it back, and you can continue reading from there onward to see the effect of those moments. I feel we're going to get to some sort of a more respectful code of conduct which is actually enacted.

I can agree with you that such discussions are helpful when guidelines are unclear, but I don’t think it’s the case here. On the contrary, this sort of thread could lead some s to be confused for no reason. In other words, I don’t see why we should doubt the guidelines when it’s clear on some points. Honestly, what’s not clear about RSG §6.16.6 "When Not To Use The 'Compilation' Tag: Releases containing previously unreleased tracks" ?

DJCOOLFX
I can agree with you that such discussions are helpful when guidelines are unclear, but I don’t think it’s the case here.

I accept that is your view, but even leaving aside any animosity or frustration between s, there are a range of opinions which all have some sort of reasoning to them, involving how to weigh various statements from which sources, and whether these have been translated properly, etc.

berothbr
The reason I opened this thread is to see what other people have to say.

I think I can see what was meant here but the start of this paragraph was not worded very fairly, in my view. I'm not surprised it was taken as provocation, but this is what we need to iron out each time.

amad65
Greatest Hits doesn't automatically mean compilation. He could call it compilation and it wouldn't make it one.

Yes, but we have the record company saying it’s a selection of his earlier work. That makes it a compilation. That it’s been remixed simply means the earlier work is remixed, nothing more. It doesn’t make it a brand new work. There are countless remixed albums and singles in the database which are deemed to be versions of the same work. The MRs are filled with these. These tracks are also identifiably the same work if you listen to them.

Also, if he called it one, it is one per our guidelines.

6.16.5. Official discographies and other respected sources can be useful when deciding when to use this tag.

Surely the artist and the record company are respected sources?

Opdiner
amad65Greatest Hits doesn't automatically mean compilation. He could call it compilation and it wouldn't make it one.

Yes, but we have the record company saying it’s a selection of his earlier work. That makes it a compilation. That it’s been remixed simply means the earlier work is remixed, nothing more. It doesn’t make it a brand new work. There are countless remixed albums and singles in the database which are deemed to be versions of the same work. The MRs are filled with these. These tracks are also identifiably the same work if you listen to them.

Also, if he called it one, it is one per our guidelines.

6.16.5. Official discographies and other respected sources can be useful when deciding when to use this tag.

Surely the artist and the record company are respected sources?

This is not the case. Remixes are not earlier work. It’s remixes of earlier works, therefore new tracks. But most importantly, again and again and again, you dismiss the fact that it INCLUDES BRAND NEW UNRELEASED TRACKS. Guidelines are super clear on this… no matter how long you’ll faint not to pay attention to to this point. New tracks > No Compilation tag. Simple.

Opdiner
That it’s been remixed simply means the earlier work is remixed, nothing more. It doesn’t make it a brand new work.

Of course remixes are new works. But this point should eventually be discussed in another thread… your opinion could be an interesting point of view, but clearly not shared by everyone of course… and clearly not endorsed by guidelines, once again.

DJCOOLFX
Indeed, remixes are considered New Works / Material.

Q: If some artist releases a one track single 12"… and then releases the same one track single 12", remixed, is it considered a reissue?

Of course not, because it’s just different work / material. Period.

100% new, unreleased, material.

Opdiner
Yes, but we have the record company saying it’s a selection of his earlier work.

Well, they're wrong, since it's brand new, therefore can't be any part of his earlier work.

Opdiner
That it’s been remixed simply means the earlier work is remixed, nothing more. It doesn’t make it a brand new work.

If it's a 2025 remix of a 2005 song, would that still be the 2005 song rather than a 2025 one? Maybe it's a different understanding of the word 'remix'. It's supposed to be re-worked, like a different performance for a 'live' musician, not remastered one. That's the whole purpose of remix - to give something new, rather than re-release an oldie.

Opdiner
There are countless remixed albums and singles in the database which are deemed to be versions of the same work.

But they are 'new' versions, or at least different ones, previously unheard or not existing.

Opdiner
These tracks are also identifiably the same work if you listen to them.

If they are newly done, then it should be identifiable upon listening, unless they're only re-titled.

Opdiner
Also, if he called it one, it is one per our guidelines.

6.16.5. Official discographies and other respected sources can be useful when deciding when to use this tag.

Surely the artist and the record company are respected sources?

6.16.5. - isn't that for albums? As I've stated, IMO the compilation tag is supposed to be measuredly objective, not based on an individual opinion.

DJCOOLFX
Of course remixes are new works.

Really, you just saying this over and over does not make it so. My ‘opinion’ is the way we’ve handled this for decades and your new tracks are a fraction of the tracks on the release. We have the artist saying it’s a greatest hits, a record company saying it’s a selection of earlier tracks and absolutely nothing in the guidelines overrides that.

It’s a comp and an album.

DJCOOLFX
But most importantly, again and again and again, you dismiss the fact that it INCLUDES BRAND NEW UNRELEASED TRACKS. Guidelines are super clear on this… no matter how long you’ll faint not to pay attention to to this point. New tracks > No Compilation tag. Simple.

The unremixed tracks are in minority. It all boils down to those remixes.

Opdiner
DJCOOLFXOf course remixes are new works.

Really, you just saying this over and over does not make it so. My ‘opinion’ is the way we’ve handled this for decades and your new tracks are a fraction of the tracks on the release. We have the artist saying it’s a greatest hits, a record company saying it’s a selection of earlier tracks and absolutely nothing in the guidelines overrides that.

It’s a comp and an album.

You are 100% incorrect. Sorry to say. And you repeating “it’s a Comp” over and over doesn’t make it so. You keep disregarding a simple question I asked : Is a new release of an original single track 12", remixed, considered a reissue? I guess not, right? That’s because it’s considered altered / extended / reworked / remixed / new material.

amad65
6.16.5. - isn't that for albums? As I've stated, IMO the compilation tag is supposed to be measuredly objective, not based on an individual opinion.

No, it’s for compilations. That’s all that matter here: the artist and the record company have said it is. That makes it a comp. We have one person making up guidelines, another saying that it is not because it’s remixed (it really matters not how many years exist between the original release and the comp) but the bottom line is that these collections have been effectively been deemed comps by the people that created them. That’s enough. Given that, I don’t think it can be argued. Even if we think remixes (with the same name) are somehow new works, the fact they are deemed such by the source is enough, it overrides everything.

DJCOOLFX
Is a new release of an original single track 12", remixed, considered a reissue? I guess not, right? That’s because it’s considered altered / extended / reworked / remixed / new material.

That is not how we define a compilation. Again, the artist and the record label have said they are. It’s greatest hits and drawn from the back catalogue. That’s enough. Their words. What you regard the tracks as - reissues or not - is irrelevant.

amad65
DJCOOLFXBut most importantly, again and again and again, you dismiss the fact that it INCLUDES BRAND NEW UNRELEASED TRACKS. Guidelines are super clear on this… no matter how long you’ll faint not to pay attention to to this point. New tracks > No Compilation tag. Simple.

The unremixed tracks are in minority. It all boils down to those remixes.

Not according to the format guidelines taken as a whole (especially 6.16.6)… However, s here claiming that 6.16.5 is what makes it a Comp for sure always omit to consider that it only states that it “can be useful when deciding when to use this tag”… and surely not that it makes it so automatically, right?

Opdiner
DJCOOLFXIs a new release of an original single track 12", remixed, considered a reissue? I guess not, right? That’s because it’s considered altered / extended / reworked / remixed / new material.

That is not how we define a compilation. Again, the artist and the record label have said they are. It’s greatest hits and drawn from the back catalogue. That’s enough. Their words. What you regard the tracks as - reissues or not - is irrelevant.

Where? Where did the artist officially say that this is a compilation? Please show us instead of repeating this over and over. Thanks.

Opdiner
it overrides everything.

How did you decide that it overrides everything? Guidelines say otherwise.

DJCOOLFX
Not according to the format guidelines taken as a whole (especially 6.16.6)… However, s here claiming that 6.16.5 is what makes it a Comp for sure always omit to consider that it only states that it “can be useful when deciding when to use this tag”… and surely not that it makes it so automatically, right?

So the record company and the artist have decided that these tracks are a compilation - that was their intent when they released these and we are supposed to ignore that? The whole point of that clause to force us to consider that when making this call. Given that we don’t seem to have a guideline that says these are not comps, the fact that the these were released as compilations by the record company and the artist seems very useful to me.

WHERE DID YOU SEE THAT THE ARTIST AND RECORD COMPANY HAVE DECIDED THAT THESE ARE COMPILATIONS, PLEASE?

Opdiner
that was their intent when they released these

oh now you’re making up things…

DJCOOLFX
Where? Where did the artist officially say that this is a compilation?

He called it a Greatest Hits album. Again, you don’t have a single guideline that says these are not comps, in fact the guidelines were intentionally written to allow this tag to be loosely applied and one of those things is an official or trustworthy source. You have that from both the record company and the artist.

DJCOOLFX
WHERE DID YOU SEE THAT THE ARTIST AND RECORD COMPANY HAVE DECIDED THAT THESE ARE COMPILATIONS, PLEASE?

We’ve gone over this over and over again. The problem is that you should have discussed this beforehand and you didn’t. People don’t agree with you here and there are artist and record company reasons not to have compilation removed. AFAICS it’s valid data that should never have been removed arbitrarily. Others also think that. You did and rather than stepping back we now have a wall of caps?

Opdiner
No, it’s for compilations. That’s all that matter here: the artist and the record company have said it is. That makes it a comp.

If that's so, ok, but it's strange. I've seen time and time again judged here if most of the content is newly released - not a comp, if it's mostly rehashed - it's a comp.

By reading that guide now, it's conflicting to say the least - advises to consult official biographies and other respected sources and immediately warns that such wording on the releases itself should be take with caution. Shouldn't that be also with those outside opinions? So it all hinges now on weather DJ Krush called it a compilation in an interview or otherwise. What if he said it's a triple EP? Are tags not related to facts?